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Chisei, Heart of Oceans
Legendary Creature — Spirit
At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice Chisei, Heart of Oceans unless you remove a counter from a permanent you control.
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Chisei, Heart of Oceans Discussion
8 months ago
I'm currently making an Arixmethes, Slumbering Isle deck myself and i'm running a lot of untap cards ( Argothian Elder , Krosan Restorer , Pemmin's Aura , Freed from the Real and Counter removal cards ( Power Conduit , Clockspinning , and Chisei, Heart of Oceans .
Shimmering Wings can be cast as many times as you have 2 blue mana and has the added benefit of giving your creature flying.
1 year ago
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor: I really should be running Chasm Skulker, no disagreement. Just don't know what I can cut to add it...I used to run more infect, but eventually I decided I wanted to make that a less common win-con, so just Inkmoth Nexus remains. I also used to run Disallow, but I never wanted to hold up the 3 mana for a slightly-better Cancel (Stifle is different, because it can be cast to neuter a T1 fetchland). Gigantoplasm is another card I'd love to run, but I don't find I have enough I want to copy in my current meta...Again, thank you for your comments!!
gdm1989: Heh, while I love Hope of Ghirapur in general (especially with Gift of Immortality), I don't know how good it is here since I can't reuse it in these colors...I suppose I could run it with Academy Ruins...
Crivaro: I ended up cutting Cloak and Dagger because it makes my commander blockable :( I really wish Tetsuko was a 2/1 so I could boost her power...And I LOVE the idea of Bubble Matrix here, kicking myself for not thinking of that!! Definitely needs to find a slot - thoughts on cuts?
Freyalise50: Honestly? I am running a few evasive creatures that don't need my commander, but I still balk at equipment that make my creatures specifically blockable. Moreover, my curve is low enough that I rarely have trouble holding up mana...
LuxCannonator: Riptide Entrancer is a little 1-shot for my tastes. I mean, it does act as a 3-mana steal effect, but Control Magic is my go-to for that effect, and Control Magic doesn't have summoning sickness or die to kill spells...
Color_pie14: Good thinking!
jakethewhale007: This deck performs great in 3-player, and well in 4-player if you draw a decent hand. Your counterspells do less, but as long as you maintain enough draw effects you should be able to survive. I win 95% of 2-player games, 80% of 3-player games, and probably 60% of 4-player games. Those are all definitely above average, but the deck gets less overpowering with more players, alas. And Fatespinner was in where for a while, but it's more of a sideboard here (since most opponents just skipped combat, as you guessed). I'd like to put it back in someday. I think that if you want another disruption-ish piece to replace Back to Basics, I'd take a page from Crivaro's book and test Bubble Matrix - that sounds amazing here. (And thanks for the congratulations!!)
Thank you all, once again, for your insight and comments! This deck wouldn't be as strong without your input.
1 year ago
Otherwise a fun blue deck.
2 years ago
I'd say that Chisei, Heart of Oceans is probably too hard to build around just because she doesn't bring much to the table.
Really the other four are all good commanders and can be lots of fun. If you decide to do Vial Smasher the Fierce, I would recommend partnering with a blue commander. That way you can use Force of Will on turn 0-1 and deal 5 damage from the get go. That idea of using "free spells" (like FoW, Foil, etc) and dealing damage is the way to go.
2 years ago
I am back with a few new ideas for some wacky EDH fun. I was thinking Chisei, Heart of Oceans, Rashmi, Eternities Crafter, Sen Triplets, Vial Smasher the Fierce, and Doran, the Siege Tower. Which one do you think will be the most challenging to build around? I say Chisei, but Doran seems like the most fun! Thank you for the help!
2 years ago
For starters, I have already looked at your's and ay.lobo's Purphoros lists at least 10 times. You don't have to keep posting them. I know you've submitted them, and they're on my mind.
Secondly, Purphoros was the first EDH deck I built when I first got into the format, and I've played and updated the deck ever since then, so I know the ins and outs of the deck very well. And believe me when I say you are still using some sub-par strategies in your list. For instance, I can say with certainty that Glitterfang and Lightning Berserker are too slow to be of any real use.
Third, goldfishing Turn 6 wins is no longer enough to get you higher than T3. Since the advent of Paradox Engine, Aetherflux Reservoir, Walking Ballista, new efficient combos like DramaticScepter, and the Protean Hulk unban, nearly everything in the top tiers have gotten a significant uptick in power level. Nearly everything in T2.5 and above is capable of goldfishing T4 wins. The top tiers have so many overpowered cards right now that they could unban Tinker without shaking up the format too much. Purphoros gets a little bit of leeway, since he screws over AdNaus decks so badly, but if I were to put your list up as the example for Purphoros right now, I would have no choice but to demote Purphoros to T3, since it's unrealistic to expect a deck that wins on turn 6 to compete with the upper tiers in this meta.
If you still think that your deck is between T2 and T1.5, then I challenge you to playtest the Arcum Dagsson and Azami decklists from T1.5 and T2 in the description. Both of those can go off on turns 2 to 4 easily, with occasional T1 wins. A Purphoros list would lose to those decks without a doubt 99 times out of 100.
That being said, I appreciate the contention with the current Purphoros list in the description. As ay.lobo has brought up, restricting the deck to just goblin tribal cuts out a lot of cards that synergize really beautifully with Purphoros. However, there are a lot of things that play well with Purphoros, and unfortunately, not all of them play well with each other. The reason we have a goblin tribal deck up right now is that the tribal synergy speeds up the clock of the deck by about 1 turn because of the extra rituals, tutors, and things like Warren Instigator or Goblin War Strike. It's that little bit of speed that's keeping Purphoros in T2.5 really.
I think what needs to happen going forward is to work out how to add the non-goblin cards that Purphoros shines with to a goblin shell that will continue to speed up the deck. Could be super tricky. I've been planning on taking a crack at it for a while now.
spudman3d, A while back I suggested a six tier system in the interest of separating the moderately (mostly) Janky commanders like Chisei, Heart of Oceans or He Who Hungers from the complete trash like Barktooth Warbeard or Myojin of Infinite Rage. (Also, to keep stuff like Chisei from clogging up T4, which clogged up T3, which actually bothered people.)
We tried it for a little while, but ultimately thegigibeast decided that T5 and T6 were so close that functionally no one cared to separate them. He combined them into the current T5, and I think that's fine the way it is.
Also fyi, there are actually some pretty functional Phage decks. Black has the best tutor power and the best graveyard recursion, so you can easily get one of the six ways to get Phage out of the command zone: Sundial of the Infinite, Command Beacon, Null Brooch, Thrull Wizard, Withering Boon, and Kozilek, the Great Distortion. It's stupid and over-complicated for what is essentially a mediocre Voltron deck, but it does function.
3 years ago
These are all the Blue commanders I could find that weren't in your list:
Aboshan, Cephalid Emperor, Alexi, Zephyr Mage, Alhammarret, High Arbiter, Ambassador Laquatus, Blind Seer, Braids, Conjurer Adept, Chisei, Heart of Oceans, Cloudhoof Kirin, Empress Galina, Hakim, Loreweaver, Heidar, Rimewind Master, Higure, the Still Wind, Hisoka, Minamo Sensei, Ixidor, Reality Sculptor, Keiga, the Tide Star, Lady Sun, Linessa, Zephyr Mage, Llawan, Cephalid Empress, Lu Meng, Wu General, Lu Su, Wu Advisor, Meloku the Clouded Mirror, Mistform Ultimus, Muzzio, Visionary Architect, Myojin of Seeing Winds, Patron of the Moon, Reveka, Wizard Savant, Soramaro, First to Dream, Sun Ce, Young Conquerer, Sun Quan, Lord of Wu, The Unspeakable, Uyo, Silent Prophet, Vendilion Clique, Venser, Shaper Savant, Zhou Yu, Chief Commander, and Zhuge Jin, Wu Strategist.
3 years ago
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