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Put any number of target creature cards from your graveyard on top of your library.
Draw a card at the beginning of the next turn's upkeep.
Bone Harvest Discussion
4 months ago
4 months ago
@Ripwater: Welcome to the dark side! I'm humbled that my list inspired you to actually build the deck. She is very hard to properly disrupt and that's why I love her so much. I'll answer your questions as best I can and hope that it helps! If you have any more questions don't hesitate to ask here or in a pm.
- Dealing with stuff getting exiled isn't generally a problem, except for mass graveyard hate like Rest in Peace or Leyline of the Void. Sacrifice outlets can save any creature from targeted exile effects or even something like Merciless Eviction. At first I tried playing lots of cards to counter these kinds of cards, but in time I realized that just playing conservatively until you can find windows to take big turns is much better than having slots dedicated to reacting to being on the back foot. I've also learned that even having key pieces of the combo exiled or a huge chunk of value creatures getting removed isn't necessarily game over. The deck has a lot of built in resiliency and redundancy, so if a RiP hits a few value creatures, don't be afraid to blow it up and keep chugging along. However, if you are running into these types of effects a lot, and you need to be proactive about it, there are a few cards I've tested to help mitigate the damage done.
Loaming Shaman can help at sorcery speed if you anticipate a Rest in Peace coming, or can be flashed in with Chainer to really dampen the hurt.
Bone Harvest , Footbottom Feast , and Gravepurge are instant speed Loaming Shaman style effects that can save at least your creatures from this sort of thing. I don't run them because it requires you to both have them and hold up mana for them, but again if you're experiencing a lot of graveyard hate these can help. They also don't target, so they get around things like Grafdigger's Cage.
Corpse Churn , Grapple with the Past , and Sudden Reclamation are cards that can be used to help fuel your graveyard or to protect key pieces against targeted or mass hate. I ran Grapple for a while and cut it because it wasn't a great card for filling the graveyard, and I rarely needed it to stop a Rest in Peace, but it could be much better for you.
Riftsweeper can also help dig important pieces out of exile if they get hit, but I cut it because it was dead outside of these graveyard hate interactions and not furthering my own gameplan when I'm already on the back foot didn't feel great.
(1 Continued) Why I'm only running Plaguecrafter and not the other similar effects. Plaguecrafter is quite clearly the best of these style of effects, second maybe only to the C18 card that picks a different mode for each opponent. I cut the others mostly because Plaguecrafter puts in so much work for me, but also because they're bad against wider aggro strategies like Elves or Goblins, and they're hard to reliably use en masse. If you like this style of effect, Butcher of Malakir is Grave Pact on a body, or you could just slot in Grave Pact and Dictate of Erebos. They're fantastic cards, just not my style. I don't like having too much creature removal because when I'm ahead they don't do much of anything.
(2) The way the deck is setup now, you can go infinite with Izoni, Savra, Chainer, Earthcraft/Pitiless Plunderer, and enough creatures in the graveyard. The old combo relied on World Shaper I just haven't updated that section of the primer too much. I cut Bitter Ordeal purely for the fact that I just don't need a win condition because people scoop so often. Plaguecrafter can empty their hands, Izoni makes a mass of tokens, and Mikeaus makes it hard to truly get rid of anything I can stick. I'll update that section of the primer more in depth in a day or two when I've got some more time and have both the infinite and non-infinite win conditions listed.
(3) I don't have any alternative win conditions, but I also don't have any real win conditions either. Izoni is essentially my way to say "okay here's how I can finish the game" but as I stated above I mostly just get concessions when my opponent's are all topdecking and I've got 90% of my deck on the battlefield. Creature beatdown is viable, and if you're looking to go the fairer route like that you can add stuff like Pathbreaker Ibex or Avenger of Zendikar to really lay the smackdown on your opponents. You could also add in something like Exsanguinate or Torment of Hailfire as a "real" win condition with Cabal Coffers/Urborg and Pitiless Plunderer. There's a ton of ways you can tweak for your meta and playstyle so don't be afraid to toy around with spots. Just because I cut something in the past doesn't mean it's bad. I've gone back to old cuts numerous times. For example I recently re-added flip Liliana from Origins. It was never great for me before, but the first game I landed it after I put it back in Liliana won me the game by herself. The deck itself has gotten better since then, so that helps, but the point stands. Sorry for this really long-winded reply, just wanted to cover everything I could while I've got the time so sit down and give a thoughtful reply. Thanks again for the interest and I'm glad you like the deck! :)
6 months ago
I like that you removed the red from this and went with Aminatou, the Fateshifter .
Not sure how competitive you want to make this but here are some cards to think about:
Also you might want to look into the possibility of snow lands and Scrying Sheets
10 months ago
Have you considered cards which have a high cmc, but can be cast for a cheaper rate like Dig Through Time and Treasure Cruise or the Emerge eldrazi like Elder Deep-Fiend, Vexing Scuttler, Distended Mindbender?
Also, Bone Harvest is great with Yuriko.
11 months ago
11 months ago
TheNocholas well I haven't used either of them.
Gravepurge is neat, effectively a reprint of Bone Harvest. I've used Bone Harvest from time to time but I would just rather use something like Rise of the Dark Realms, Living End or Living Death. Bone Harvest did save me from a mill deck once and you could use either in response to Bojuka Bog or other grave hate. If I find myself really needing an answer to grave hate then these certainly become really strong possibilities.
Liliana's Contract should be an awesome addition to the deck I just need to pick one up... The card draw will always be useful. I think especially in an apostle deck where it can be easy to play your whole hand in a turn or two. Add to that the potential to win the game on your upkeep and now your opponents have to eliminate it, you, or a demon. Not usually a good idea to draw so much attention so it is a gamble but it is also necessary to have ways of winning that don't use combat.
1 year ago
1 year ago
You seem to have the only Dire deck that's public at the moment (I have my own private one), so I'm going to go ahead and spew my ideas here:
Commander + Combat Celebrant + Mortuary + a haste source gives endless combat steps. The Celebrant can to some extent be replaced by Breath of Fury, Scourge of the Throne or Godo, Bandit Warlord. Mortuary can to some extent be replaced by Haunted Crossroads or Bone Harvest/Footbottom Feast/Gravepurge. The combo is pretty easily disrupted so Conqueror's Flail or something is probably recommended.
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