Creature — Rat
Bog Rats can't be blocked by Walls.
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|Classic Sixth Edition (6ED)||Common|
|Fifth Edition (5ED)||Common|
|The Dark (DRK)||Common|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Bog Rats Discussion
2 years ago
Needs more Rat Colony
With only 6 Relentless Rats you need half of your total number on the battlefield to even make them 4/4s. Most of the time they will be 3 mana 2/2s. You need a critical mass of Relentless Rats--at least 20. If you want to dedicate only a small portion of your deck to the Relentless effect, then Rat Colony is much better; unlike Relentless Rats it benefits from any rat you control, including Marrow-Gnawer's tokens. Pack Rat is also superior if you have many non-Relentless Rats.
Rat Colony is strictly better than Swarm of Rats. It's also generally better than Bog Rats, Carrion Rats, Muck Rats, Nezumi Cutthroat (fear isn't worth a large power loss and "can't block", especially when Marrow-Gnawer provides fear), Pestilence Rats (Rat Colony gets +2/-2 under most conditions and costs 1 less), and Earsplitting Rats (not enough graveyard/discard synergies).
I'm not sure how Shriveling Rot serves the deck.
There are two Cabal Strongholds, so one needs to come out. Cycling lands--Barren Moor, Polluted Mire, and Desert of the Glorified--hedge against land-heavy draws. Some cheap utility/value lands like Zhalfirin Void, Encroaching Wastes, Mystifying Maze, or Temple of the False God might be good over some number of Swamps too.
Phyrexian Tribute -> Scour from Existence, Unstable Obelisk. I know black is bad with artifacts, but there is a reason Phyrexian Tribute is in 55 edh decks, and the other two are in over 5000 each, and it isn't just color restriction. They cover all five permanent types instead of just one, including the equally hard-for-black enchantments. Requiring two creatures to sacrifice, Phyrexian Tribute isn't even always easier to cast, and it's effect is far less flexible.
Speaking of Unstable Obelisk, more mana ramp would be prudent, like Wayfarer's Bauble, Mind Stone, and Commander's Sphere. Bontu's Monument isn't Jet Medallion, but is still worthwhile with 27 creatures.
I don't think there are enough graveyard synergies to make Living Death appropriate.
Night Dealings is slow, does nothing if the battlefield isn't somewhat favorable, can potentially get removed, makes you reveal, and can't get lands. Razaketh's Rite and Mastermind's Acquisition tutor with no fuss. If you want slow, multi-card tutoring, Diabolic Revelation, Demonic Collusion, and Increasing Ambition are reliable options. Although none feature Nezumi in their art.
2 years ago
If i have Vanquisher's Banner set to buff a creature, for example Bog Rats and i use Everythingamajig A's 1st abillity to move a counter off of Bog Rats and onto something that isnt buffed by Vanquisher's Banner, lets say Voracious Null, do the Bog Rats get the counter from Vanquisher's Banner back to then move to another creature with Everythingamajig A again?
2 years ago
Concise list of considerations:
The Rack single target is really crappy in EDH
Wheel of Torture Same effect as The Rack except it hits everyone.
Skullcage Hits all opponents who don't have either 3 or 4 cards in hand.
Raiders' Wake Another Caress/Megrim effect, except this one makes your opponent discard if you attack.
Quest for the Nihil Stone Anyone without a hand gets domed for 5 during their upkeep...seems good.
Bloodchief Ascension Self Explanatory card
Mindcrank This is a great card in a discard centric deck.
Get rid of all of these cards Bog Rats, Carrion Rats, Deathmask Nezumi (it's a nombo with everything you're doing), Drainpipe Vermin, Gutter Skulk, Nezumi Cutthroat, Pestilence Rats, Ravenous Rats, Swarm of Rats, and Typhoid Rats.
Relentless Rats Replace all of the cards removed with these. You are not restricted to a single copy, per EDH rules, because Relentless Rats specifically states that card limitation requirements do not apply to it.
Get rid of anything that is single target discard! Especially Raven's Crime, since you don't have enough lands that you can afford to be ditching them for a single discard.
Add more things that hit everybody, such as Necrogen Mists or are renewable.
Specter's Shroud Might be worth looking into.
You need more board wipes. You have one 9 CMC board wipe with only 32 lands in the deck. The Hyper-geometric distribution doesn't give you very good odds of pulling the lands you need in order to keep the board clear. Consider Bontu's Last Reckoning, Yahenni's Expertise, Crux of Fate (which may work to your favor with all the Dargon decks running around), Damnation is a given but it's pricey, Life's Finale, Kindred Dominance, and Necromantic Selection are all decent options.
Liliana of the Dark Realms is a much better Lili for a deck like this because you need ramp and that Ult is ridiculous plus it combos with...
Let's talk about your mana base for a second...
Thirty two lands? Even for a very cavalier spell slinger deck, that is a very low amount to play. I play a Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest deck on 36 and struggle some times to reach a critical mass of mana/spells. Don't fall into the trap of "I'll cut a land for this cheap spell; it'll be fine." Again, math and probability will not be on your side in the late game, not unless you're willing to invest in Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx or Cabal Coffers. An alternative might be to run Crypt of Agadeem but it's really no substitute for those lands.
Lastly, jam a Bojuka Bog or a Scavenger Grounds or both in there for graveyard hate, along with your choice of Strip Mine, Ghost Quarter, and/or Field of Ruin because if you can't have your Crypt or Coffers, why should they?
Hope this helps, good luck!
2 years ago
3 years ago
Teknetic Hey, Thank you for suggestion, definitely going too take into consideration dropping some of the useless rat card. Though I honestly just wanted a deck that was more casual as a rat's deck then for competitive use which is why i'm sticking too the theme over substance at the moment. As for draw engines I can see i'm rather lacking and I thank you for point that out too. This is really my first proper EDH deck so again i'll take it into major consideration. As for the Gravepurge that's just in the case pf milling from library to grave which most of the edh players do at my store. For the moment though i'm definitely throwing away Bog Rats and Chittering Rats for more draw engines and considering throwing the rest.
3 years ago
So kind of as a general rule, if you're playing a card solely because it's a Rat and nothing else, you should just cut it and replace it with another Relentless Rats. Stuff like Bog Rats, Chittering Rats, Earsplitting Rats, Scrib Nibblers, Stronghold Rats, and Typhoid Rats. The Misers should also be cut because any deck that wants a constant hand size of at least 7 cards plays enough effects to give them no maximum hand size. You don't need to be playing Gravepurge, it's not like you're dredging your entire deck. Some enchantment based draw engine would be good; Phyrexian Arena, Necropotence, Underworld Connections, etc. I'm a fan of playing Bubbling Muck in any monoblack deck for explosive turns. You should be playing Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth to make Cabal Coffers a bit better. You may want Illusionist's Bracers to double up Marrow-Gnaw'er activations.